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    <description>Everyone on the record about debt: 18 verbatim quotes from 7 people, April 2020 to August 2026, in one chronology, each with a timestamp and a link to its…</description>
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      <title>Dylan Patel: Patel argues Meta could pay 8% interest rates versus current 5-6% because compute returns are eno</title>
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      <description>“So why wouldn&#x27;t interest rates Yep. For Amazon go from, you know, from where they are today? I think Meta pay okay, let&#x27;s like so this is going be extremely lived out.” — Dylan Patel, Dwarkesh Patel</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2026 15:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Dylan Patel: Patel&#x27;s models show $11 trillion AI CapEx through 2029, requiring over $5 trillion in new debt.</title>
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      <description>“In the modeling that we do, we have about $11,000,000,000,000 of CapEx from 2024 to 2029. Total. Total.” — Dylan Patel, Dwarkesh Patel</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2026 15:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Scott Bessent: Bessent claims the Biden administration had the highest peacetime, non-recession deficit-to-GDP</title>
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      <description>“The Biden administration had the highest deficit to GDP in history when we weren&#x27;t at war or weren&#x27;t in a recession.” — Scott Bessent, Forbes Breaking News</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2026 21:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Gavin Baker: Baker argues that whether AI buildout is funded by debt or cash flows is critical for bubble risk</title>
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      <description>“And a very important distinction we will come to is whether or not that build out is funded out of debt or cash flows. It&#x27;s a critical distinction for AI.” — Gavin Baker, Generating Alpha Podcast</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2026 15:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>David Friedberg: Friedberg claims 63 percent of Americans have negative equity with more debt than assets and</title>
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      <description>“They have more debt than they have assets and everything&#x27;s getting more expensive and no one&#x27;s moving up the economic ladder. There&#x27;s no mobility anymore.” — David Friedberg, All-In Podcast</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 21:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>David Friedberg: Friedberg states California faces 250 billion to 1 trillion dollars in unpaid retirement obli</title>
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      <description>“And I&#x27;m talking about somewhere between 250,000,000,000 and $1,000,000,000,000. California is bankrupt. That is a major Right. Fact that is completely ignored by” — David Friedberg, Suffiyan Malik</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2026 00:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>David Friedberg: Friedberg states US has $40 trillion debt, $2 trillion deficit, with $1 trillion just in inte</title>
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      <description>“We have $40,000,000,000,000 of debt and we&#x27;re gonna have a $2,000,000,000,000 deficit this year. A trillion dollars of that is just interest on the existing debt. That number is getting bigger and bigger every year.” — David Friedberg, All-In Podcast</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2026 11:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Dylan Patel: Patel predicts Google and Amazon will take on debt for AI infrastructure following Meta&#x27;s example</title>
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      <description>“Google and Amazon haven&#x27;t taken on debt yet for AI infrastructure, but they will. Right?” — Dylan Patel, Latent Space</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2026 21:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>David Friedberg: Friedberg cites California&#x27;s $18B deficit and up to $1T pension shortfall alongside US $40T d</title>
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      <description>“That money has to come from somewhere. The United States is 40,000,000,000,000 in debt. We&#x27;re burning 1,500,000,000,000, maybe 2,000,000,000,000 a year.” — David Friedberg, All-In Podcast</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2026 03:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Marc Rowan: Rowan says hyperscaler debt is not a concern given their massive cash flows from diverse businesse</title>
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      <description>“They have massive amounts of cash flow coming from lots of other businesses. And if I am worried about the debt of hyperscalers, the economy and The US have way bigger issues.” — Marc Rowan, Yahoo Finance</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2025 16:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Brad Gerstner: Gerstner notes 1990s experts wrongly predicted debt-to-GDP would rise to 80%; instead it fell f</title>
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      <description>“in 1993, debt to GDP was supposed to go from 40 to or 60 to 80 by experts, it in fact went from 60 to 40. Yes. So experts can be wrong by a lot.” — Brad Gerstner, BG2 Pod</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2025 00:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Brad Gerstner: Gerstner calculates that 2.5-3.5% annual productivity growth for a decade could substantially r</title>
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      <description>“if productivity for the next decade or so was about two and a half to three and a half percent per year, we could achieve substantial reductions in this key ratio of debt to GDP.” — Brad Gerstner, BG2 Pod</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2025 00:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Brad Gerstner: Gerstner argues sovereign wealth fund must clear 5% hurdle rate given $40 trillion debt at 5% c</title>
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      <description>“So we&#x27;re a debtor nation, and we&#x27;re paying 5% on all that debt. So the hurdle rate to our return that is needed on the sovereign wealth fund, right, is 5%.” — Brad Gerstner, BG2 Pod</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2025 23:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>David Friedberg: Friedberg warns the US is already paying a trillion dollars annually just in interest on fede</title>
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      <description>“And this year, we&#x27;re already paying a trillion dollars just in interest on the debt that the federal government owes to its bondholders, to the people that own treasuries.” — David Friedberg, Tom Bilyeu</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2024 13:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>David Friedberg: Friedberg calculates refinancing half of U.S. debt at higher rates adds $300 billion in annua</title>
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      <description>“And when that happens, you know, 2% increase in interest on $15,000,000,000,000 that&#x27;s another $300,000,000,000 of interest payments a year.” — David Friedberg, Tom Bilyeu</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2024 13:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>David Friedberg: Friedberg states the US has $33 trillion national debt and a proposed $7 trillion budget next</title>
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      <description>“We are proposing the federal administration is proposing a $7,000,000,000,000 budget next year. We have $33,000,000,000,000 of national debt.” — David Friedberg, Tom Bilyeu</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2024 13:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Stanley Druckenmiller: Druckenmiller says US debt is 31 trillion officially but 200 trillion when including pr</title>
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      <description>“But if you did your accounting like any corporation and you assume those payments are going be made, yeah, the present value is probably around $200,000,000,000,000.” — Stanley Druckenmiller, Bloomberg Live</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2023 15:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Gavin Baker: Baker references Robert Smith&#x27;s claim that software is better than first lien debt.</title>
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      <description>“Robert Smith is the CEO of Vista Equity Partners, brilliant man. And he famously said software is better than first lien debt.” — Gavin Baker, Invest Like the Best</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2020 09:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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