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Baker notes that highly leveraged names like Domino's were among the best performers after 2009.
“Go back to what were the best stocks coming out of June 2009? Netflix, booking.com, Ulta Beauty, Domino's Pizza. Domino's was a name that was incredibly levered.”
Rowan contrasts bank leverage of 12-14x with zero leverage at typical institutional investors and mutual funds.
“A bank is levered 12 to 14 times. The typical institutional investor is levered zero. The typical mutual fund levered zero. Typical BDC levered 1.5 times. Typical retirement services company levered eight times.”
Rowan distinguishes between traditional private equity and a new model of private equity without leverage or fund structures.
“I think we're heading to a world where we not just have private credit, but we have equity that is private, not just private equity.”
Marks observes a 17-year period without profound low points led people to forget leverage risks.
“And from March of o nine until, let's say, January '26, there generally were not profound low points. And when good times roll on that long, people forget about the possibility of bad times.”
Marks notes declining rates made financial engineering and leverage particularly effective at generating returns.
“In this period we've been through of declining interest rates, financial engineering helped a lot, merely owning assets with leverage helped a lot, things regularly went to premium valuations.”