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    1. Bill Gurley

      Gurley contrasts past Microsoft dominance with today's five to seven competing monoliths creating more startup opportunities.

      “When I got into venture, every startup presentation ended with what are you going to do when Microsoft does this? Right.”

      11 Dec 2012 · GigaOm · 2:33 · source · permalink
    2. Bill Gurley

      Gurley identifies five to seven major tech companies today, unlike the aligned Wintel coalition of the past.

      “And interestingly, they're not, you know, least with Wintel, you had Microsoft, Intel and Dell and Compaq all fairly aligned to the same initiative.”

      11 Dec 2012 · GigaOm · 2:48 · source · permalink
    1. Bill Gurley

      Gurley argues IPO process has devolved from wide marketing to hand allocation among 10 to 15 firms.

      “I think there that it used to be that the IPO process was about disseminating and marketing and selling far and wide, and it's become a game of just hand allocating shares to the same 10 or 15 firms.”

      2 Oct 2019 · CNBC Television · 7:24 · source · permalink
    1. Gavin Baker

      Baker says valuation spreads within sectors reached 4.5 standard deviations, now at 3.5 standard deviations.

      “Valuation spreads within a sector between individual stocks are at all time highs. It was a 4.5 standard deviation relative to the norm only a few days ago.”

      2 Apr 2020 · Invest Like the Best · 2:40 · source · permalink
    2. Bill Gurley

      Gurley notes the number of public companies has fallen by half from prior levels.

      “We have a situation where the number of public companies today is half of what it was a while ago. And you ask, well, why is that?”

      2 Oct 2020 · CNBC Television · 3:15 · source · permalink
    3. Bill Gurley

      Gurley argues IPO pricing relies on human guessing rather than modern market mechanisms.

      “And the price and allocation are determined by humans just guessing, which makes no sense whatsoever in the modern age.”

      22 Dec 2020 · CNBC Television · 0:56 · source · permalink
    4. Bill Gurley

      Gurley cites IPO underpricing totaling $6B in 2018, $7B in 2019, and over $34B this year.

      “In in in 2018, it was 6,000,000,000. In 2019, it was 7,000,000,000. This year, it's gonna be over $34,000,000,000 in one day giveaways.”

      22 Dec 2020 · CNBC Television · 3:24 · source · permalink
    5. Bill Gurley

      Gurley argues SPAC market emerged because traditional IPO underpricing was worsening.

      “I think one of the big reasons the SPAC market opened up was because the underpricing was getting worse and worse and worse.”

      22 Dec 2020 · CNBC Television · 4:09 · source · permalink
    1. Marc Rowan

      Rowan says hybrid business at $30 billion is structurally underallocated by institutions focused on highest returns.

      “This thing called hybrid, which is $30,000,000,000 is actually really interesting because it is neither yield nor opportunistic. It is never going be the highest rate of return.”

      15 Jul 2021 · Bloomberg Live · 31:09 · source · permalink
    1. Gavin Baker

      Baker argues semiconductor industry has consolidated into monopolies or duopolies in every subsector over fifteen years.

      “Let's step back and look at the last fifteen years of semis. The industry has completely consolidated to where you almost have these monopolies and almost monopolies or duopolies.”

      25 Jan 2022 · Invest Like the Best · 26:53 · source · permalink
    2. Gavin Baker

      Baker describes semiconductor industry as consolidated into monopolies, duopolies, or three-player oligopolies in every subsector.

      “In every subsector of semis, you either have a monopoly, duopoly, or in the worst case, an oligopoly of three.”

      25 Jan 2022 · Invest Like the Best · 27:05 · source · permalink
    3. “So you have low barriers to entry, but you have very high barriers to exit.”

      23 May 2022 · All-In Podcast · 1:50 · source · permalink
    4. “So you have low barriers to entry, but you have very high barriers to exit. And so felt that it was just systematically set up to rise and crash, rise and crash.”

      23 May 2022 · All-In Podcast · 1:50 · source · permalink
    1. Bill Gurley

      Gurley says vast majority of IPOs concentrated in four or five firms, suggests need for banks dedicated to smaller IPOs.

      “I found some data which we can put up, like the vast majority of IPOs are being underwritten by like four or five firms.”

      18 Apr 2024 · BG2 Pod · 12:00 · source · permalink
    2. Marc Rowan

      Rowan notes active equity managers failed to beat the market 93% of the time over twenty years.

      “Here are people who have spent their whole lives becoming good investors, and they as an industry have failed to beat the market 93% of the time for twenty years.”

      6 May 2024 · Yahoo Finance · 2:33 · source · permalink
    3. Marc Rowan

      Rowan states public companies halved to 4,000 while 80% of large companies are now private.

      “We now have 4,000 public companies. People think most of the action is in public markets. 80% of companies over 100,000,000 of revenue and 80% of employment is in private companies.”

      6 May 2024 · Yahoo Finance · 3:23 · source · permalink
    4. Marc Rowan

      Rowan predicts investors won't distinguish between public and private investment grade credit within 18 months.

      “Eighteen months from now, I do not believe investors will actually know the difference between investment grade public and investment grade private.”

      2 Oct 2024 · Bloomberg Television · 7:29 · source · permalink
    1. Marc Rowan

      Rowan contrasts the private markets landscape forty years ago with today's more diversified options.

      “Forty years ago, private was three products, Private equity, venture capital, and hedge funds. All can be good investments, but all have risk. And public were 8,000 public companies, diversified portfolios of stocks and bonds.”

      22 May 2025 · Barron's · 1:25 · source · permalink
    2. Marc Rowan

      Rowan identifies retirement insurance companies and traditional asset managers as third and fourth markets now accessing private investments.

      “We now have a third market, which is retirement insurance companies. People have seen what we have done by accessing private investment grade, and others are doing it. We now have a fourth market.”

      22 May 2025 · Barron's · 2:18 · source · permalink
    3. Marc Rowan

      Rowan explains all financing comes from only two sources: the banking system or the investment marketplace.

      “At the top of the house the fundamental trends are retirees, need for income and what we're building here because financing comes from only two sources.”

      22 May 2025 · Barron's · 10:37 · source · permalink
    4. Bill Gurley

      Gurley discusses slide comparing AI trajectory to reach 75% of total US market cap against historical industrial and transport precedents.

      “when will AI reach 75% of total US market cap, which I think is incredibly provocative how you compare that to industrials and transport because everybody's saying it's so big already it can't get any bigger.”

      20 Jun 2025 · BG2 Pod · 3:00 · source · permalink
    5. Bill Gurley

      Gurley notes technology grew from 5% to 15% of global GDP, implying further growth ahead over next decade.

      “Said another way, technology, when we got started, Thomas, was 5% of global GDP. Today is 15% of global GDP. And when we're sitting here in ten years, I think you're saying confidently,”

      20 Jun 2025 · BG2 Pod · 5:47 · source · permalink
    6. Bill Gurley

      Gurley argues trillion dollar companies staying private with limited investor access is unhealthy for capital markets.

      “The idea that we're going to have trillion dollar companies and the only people who get to participate are the people sitting around this table, right? I just think is unhealthy for our capital markets.”

      20 Jun 2025 · BG2 Pod · 43:58 · source · permalink
    1. Marc Rowan

      Rowan attributes active managers' failure to beat indexes to market structure changes, not lack of skill.

      “Most active managers have failed to beat the index 90% of the time for twenty years. I don't think it's a result of lack of effort or intelligence.”

      6 Feb 2026 · Marsh · 10:36 · source · permalink
    2. Bill Gurley

      Gurley argues IPOs should match supply and demand through bidding, calling current handpicked pricing process ignorant.

      “So if you ask any first year comp sci student and first year finance student to write a model of how an IPO should work, you would allow everyone to bid and you would award the shares to the highest bidder. It's just not like, it's not, it should just be tautological.”

      27 Feb 2026 · Brew Markets · 28:43 · source · permalink
    3. Bill Gurley

      Gurley notes bonds and crypto ICOs already use supply-demand matching that IPOs avoid.

      “And by the way, that's how every bond is priced. And that's by the way, how all the initial coin offerings work in the crypto world. It's just what you would do.”

      27 Feb 2026 · Brew Markets · 29:02 · source · permalink
    4. “The vast majority of the private market is investment grade. There's a $40,000,000,000,000 market, and 99% of the headlines are focused on a little slice of a trillion and 0.5 called levered lending.”

      3 Mar 2026 · Bloomberg Podcasts · 8:18 · source · permalink
    5. Howard Marks

      Marks says 700 direct lending managers emerged to manage $1.7 trillion in a favorable environment with declining interest rates.

      “I'm told that there are roughly 700 direct lending managers. So the the the And the availability of that $1,700,000,000,000 put a lot of people into business and made a lot of people extremely successful along with a very favorable economy and with low or generally low or generally declining interest rates, which are salutary.”

      12 Jun 2026 · Prof G Markets · 49:00 · source · permalink
    6. Gavin Baker

      Baker identifies four companies that matter at scale in long-term supply agreements for AI chips.

      “Let's just think about the game theory of breaking an LTA. So there's four companies that matter at scale. There's Amazon with their tradiums.”

      4 Aug 2026 · Invest Like the Best · 31:57 · source · permalink
    7. Gavin Baker

      Baker argues only four companies matter at scale for AI chips: Amazon, Google, AMD, and NVIDIA.

      “So there's four companies that matter at scale. There's Amazon with their tradiums. There's Google with their TPUs. There's AMD, and then there's NVIDIA who's, like, much bigger than everybody else combined.”

      4 Aug 2026 · Invest Like the Best · 32:01 · source · permalink
    1. Paul Atkins

      Atkins announces the SEC proposes to rescind Rule 611 of Regulation NMS and the prohibition on locking and crossing quotations.

      “Today, the Commission proposes to rescind Rule 611 of Regulation NMS as well as the prohibition on locking and crossing quotations.”

      · SEC speeches and statements · source · permalink
    2. Paul Atkins

      Atkins calls Rule 611, the Trade-Through Rule, a grave misstep since his time as Commissioner in the 2000s.

      “I have viewed as a grave misstep since I served as Commissioner in the Aughts: that is, Rule 611, also known as the “Trade-Through Rule.””

      · SEC speeches and statements · 0:05 · source · permalink
    3. Paul Atkins

      Atkins argues the trade-through rule has fueled disorder by encouraging exchange proliferation and dampening innovation.

      “Indeed, the release shows that, in today’s markets, the trade-through rule has helped fuel disorder by encouraging the proliferation of exchanges, dampening innovation within them, and inspiring ever more complex order types on those exchanges.”

      · SEC speeches and statements · 0:42 · source · permalink
    4. Paul Atkins

      Atkins says current markets are fragmented, costlier than necessary, and needlessly complex.

      “The result is a market that, despite its many strengths, is fragmented, costlier than it needs to be, and needlessly complex.”

      · SEC speeches and statements · 0:58 · source · permalink
    5. Paul Atkins

      Atkins warns removing Rule 611 will unsettle market structure assumptions and raise questions about execution, transparency, and investor confidence.

      “Removing Rule 611 would unsettle long-standing assumptions in our market structure and inevitably raise questions regarding best execution, transparency, trading mechanics, and investor confidence.”

      · SEC speeches and statements · 1:31 · source · permalink
    6. Paul Atkins

      Atkins announces extension of compliance relief for minimum pricing increment rules until November 2027.

      “Today, the Commission further extended the temporary exemptive relief from the compliance dates for Rules 600(b)(89)(i)(F), 610(c) and 612 of Regulation NMS until the first business day of November 2027”

      · SEC speeches and statements · 1:34 · source · permalink
    7. Paul Atkins

      Atkins warns that regulation encrusts equity markets, requiring caution when removing rules to avoid harm.

      “Because regulation encrusts the equity markets, we must be exceedingly careful to avoid doing more harm than good when we seek to break off a piece of that crust.”

      · SEC speeches and statements · 1:35 · source · permalink
    8. Paul Atkins

      Atkins argues the change may create a market structure more aligned with how trading actually occurs today.

      “it may also lead to a market structure that is more adaptive, resilient, and better aligned with how trading actually occurs today.”

      · SEC speeches and statements · 1:46 · source · permalink
    9. “Today, the Commission also proposed to rescind Rule 611 of Regulation NMS, known as the trade-through rule.”

      · SEC speeches and statements · 1:58 · source · permalink
    10. Paul Atkins

      Atkins anticipates the proposal will be seen as insufficient by some and excessive by others.

      “Yet, I suspect that, for some, this proposal will not go far enough, while for others this proposal will have gone too far.”

      · SEC speeches and statements · 2:12 · source · permalink
    11. Paul Atkins

      Atkins directs staff to review access fee caps and pricing increments by year-end for potential changes.

      “I have directed the staff to prioritize a review of Rules 610(c) and 612 of Regulation NMS by the end of the year, including whether potential changes to the access fee caps and minimum pricing increments may be appropriate.”

      · SEC speeches and statements · 2:21 · source · permalink
    12. John Williams

      Williams says stablecoins have moved from experiments to actual market use as financial assets are tokenized.

      “Digital ledger technology is advancing, allowing financial assets—both money and securities—to be converted into digital tokens such as stablecoins, which are now being used in markets and not just tested in experiments.”

      · NY Fed speeches · 3:18 · source · permalink
    13. John Williams

      Williams questions how atomic settlement cycles might affect safe asset demand.

      “How do shortened or atomic settlement cycles impact trading and the demand for safe assets?”

      · NY Fed speeches · 5:46 · source · permalink
    14. John Williams

      Williams says institutional adoption of digital assets is accelerating four years after the inaugural conference.

      “A mere four years later, participants today discussed a wider range of use cases and showed that institutional adoption is accelerating.”

      · NY Fed speeches · 6:31 · source · permalink
    15. John Williams

      Williams warns AI-driven execution could reduce trade sizes but increase opaqueness and risks in FX markets.

      “Although AI-supported algorithmic-based execution could minimize market impact, it could potentially increase opaqueness and impact the ability to identify emerging risks.”

      · NY Fed speeches · 7:39 · source · permalink
    16. John Williams

      Williams argues dollar weakness reflected hedging mechanics rather than fundamental reassessment of U.S. assets.

      “Understanding this distinction is critical because it suggests that the dollar's weakness stemmed largely from the mechanics of how hedging flows transmit through the FX market, rather than from a sudden shift in asset allocation.”

      · NY Fed speeches · 10:18 · source · permalink

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