Who is on this subjectordered by the date of their first quote here
5 of 7 lanes rest on fewer than 5 quotes and are marked thin. Offsets are days from the middle first-quote date, 4 Apr 2024 — a date, and nothing else. It is not a claim about who reached a view first.
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Bill Gurley
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11 Dec 2012 – 21 Jul 2026
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Gavin Baker
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2 Apr 2020 – 4 Aug 2026
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- Dylan Patel 9 9 Aug 2023 – 16 Mar 2026 -239 d
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Brad Gerstner
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4 Apr 2024 – 20 Jun 2025
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David Friedberg
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21 Dec 2025 – 12 May 2026
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Howard Marks
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21 Feb 2026 – 21 Feb 2026
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- David Sacks 2 thin 25 Aug 2026 – 25 Aug 2026 +873 d
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Bill Gurley
Gurley contrasts past Microsoft dominance with today's five to seven competing monoliths creating more startup opportunities.
“When I got into venture, every startup presentation ended with what are you going to do when Microsoft does this? Right.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley identifies five to seven major tech companies today, unlike the aligned Wintel coalition of the past.
“And interestingly, they're not, you know, least with Wintel, you had Microsoft, Intel and Dell and Compaq all fairly aligned to the same initiative.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley argues hyper competition makes VCs fear missing deals more than demanding discipline from founders.
“Hyper competition has made it such that the majority of VCs biggest fear is missing out on the next investment.”
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Gavin Baker
Baker says Apple, Google, and Facebook missed massive opportunity by not matching Zoom's UI and UX quality.
“And I can only imagine what it feels like to be at whether it's Apple with FaceTime, Google with Hangouts, Facebook with whatever their video chat is.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley explains Minecraft and Roblox succeeded with simpler primitives and child demographics versus Second Life's complexity and adult focus.
“One, primitives are simpler. And so the creator tools at Second Life, you could do amazing rich things, but they were a little harder to use.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley suggests if Solana eats Ethereum, the next competitor could make Solana equally uninteresting.
“Yes. But I think there's an equally interesting counterpoint to that, that Solana might be cheaper than Ethereum, but then the son of Solana might make Solana equally uninteresting.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley warns that if Solana replaces Ethereum, it suggests all crypto tokens are worth far less due to race-to-the-bottom dynamics.
“And that's why someone said to me the other day, if Solana eats ETH, then all of these tokens are worth far less than we imagined because there's just a race to the bottom.”
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Dylan Patel
Patel predicts five to seven companies will train GPT-4 scale models in the next year.
“I do believe that there's going to be five to seven companies that will have a GPT-four size model, at least, right, in terms of total flops.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley calls the Altman-Masa plan to compete with Nvidia radical given AMD and others have decades head start.
“There are already people competing with Nvidia. AMD's competing with Like, there are other people that have somewhat of a head start. Like decades.”
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Brad Gerstner
Gerstner reports some AI models are already priced below cost due to hyper-competitive market dynamics.
“the second thing people said was that the runtime models are just highly competitive and many people think that some of the models are already priced under cost, which goes back to the credit investment theme that you and I have talked about.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley says AI foundational models no longer qualify as startup market due to massive capital and big company involvement.
“It's already evolved to a point that's very similar to where Uber, Lyft and DoorDash ended up, where there's just so much money moving around that I really don't even think about it as a startup market anymore.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley says AI foundational models are no longer a startup market, with big company involvement being dangerous.
“If you wanted to be accurate, non consensus in a way around these, part of it ties into the big guys being interested in what they're doing with their own balance sheet to reinforce this, which I consider to be remarkably dangerous and unhealthy.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley cites Boeing as example of regulatory coziness problem in industries with longest regulatory history.
“There's a lot of talk about Boeing these days and a lack of competition and coziness with regulators. And it's a really big problem in the industries that have been around the longest.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley says venture capital structurally sucks due to low entry barriers and high exit barriers.
“There's high competition. But the big problem, and this is structural, is there's low barriers to entry and high barriers to exit.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley posed question about how player behavior changes when multiple competitors understand increasing returns dynamics in advance.
“I said to Michael one time, what if there were multiple players in an increasing returns game and they knew what the outcome was gonna look like? How would it affect their behavior?”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley suggests the Magnificent Seven's dominance may stem from all players now understanding network effects dynamics.
“maybe the reason the magnificent seven exists, maybe the reason why those price wars went to where they did is just everyone got educated.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley argues foundational AI model companies burning $100-200M annually represents poor capital allocation but may be unavoidable.
“100,000,000 a year? 200,000,000 a year? There's no way that's high quality capital allocation from my point of view. There's no chance. But maybe they don't have the alternative.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley calls foundational model companies' hundred-million-dollar annual burn rates poor capital allocation but possibly unavoidable competitive traps.
“200,000,000 a year? There's no way that's high quality capital allocation from my point of view. There's no chance. But maybe they don't have the alternative.”
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Brad Gerstner
Gerstner identifies four ingredients to compete in AI: capital at $40B/year, data scaling, compute infrastructure, and distribution.
“I think there are four important ingredients to compete in this market. Number one, you have to have capital, and the leaders are spending $40,000,000,000 a year.”
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Brad Gerstner
Gerstner asserts Google lost its dominance in the AI era despite dominating traditional search.
“They were dominant in 10 blue links. They are not dominant in this. There are a lot of other players in the age of”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley says hyper-competition with every AI coding player having $400M can reduce venture returns despite market enthusiasm.
“Having crazy money in the market is not necessarily consistent with creating positive return for your venture capital portfolio.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley says closed AI model companies must compete with frontier performance while Meta gives it away free.
“If you're a closed model company, the question first is, okay, I'm going to have to compete and keep up with this frontier level competition. That's hard enough. It takes a lot of resources.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley argues this AI shift differs from past platform shifts because all incumbents are awake and starting simultaneously.
“I could argue, especially since I'm old and I've seen these shifts that everyone's awake on this one, or it has, it's the most awake, like it's heavily choreographed.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley calls anti-Chinese sentiment irrational given China's lead in EVs and infrastructure while America maintains false superiority.
“I think this anti Chinese mentality is a little nuts because if you look at low cost EVs, if you look at their subway stations, if you look at, they're leading us in many areas.”
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Dylan Patel
Patel argues the surprise was a Chinese company achieving this cost reduction, not the reduction itself.
“I think what was really surprising was that it was a Chinese company for the first time. Right? Because Google and and OpenAI and Anthropic and Meta have all traded blows.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley says China ensures 500 to 1000 competitors in target industries, letting markets select winners rather than state sponsorship.
“in these industries where they wanna succeed, they actually make sure that there are 500 competitors or a thousand competitors. And then they let the market whittle down to what the best one is.”
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Brad Gerstner
Gerstner's analysis shows Google page views decline 8-11% year-over-year for users who subscribe to ChatGPT.
“And you can see peak to trough is down 8% year over year. Peak to trough is, let's say, down 11. So clearly, page views are going down,”
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Dylan Patel
Patel argues competing with NVIDIA requires leaping forward beyond supply chain advantages across networking, memory, manufacturing and components.
“They're gonna have better negotiations with whether it's TSMC or SK Hynix and the memory and silicon side or all the rack people or, like, copper cables, everything, they're gonna have better cost efficiency.”
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Dylan Patel
Patel explains competitors need 5x hardware advantage over NVIDIA but risk failure if AI workloads shift before shipping.
“So now you need to do something, you know, that will give you five x advantage, right, in hardware efficiency for a certain type of workload, and then pray the workload doesn't shift.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley reports Ford CEO Farley shipped a Xiaomi car to Chicago and made extreme statements after driving it.
“And he insisted they ship him one back to Chicago, and he's been driving it around. And he's made some pretty extreme statements after having experienced Xiaomi.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley quotes Ford CEO saying Chinese vehicle cost and quality are far superior to the West.
“And he says even beyond that, their cost, their quality of vehicles is far superior to what I see in the West. We are in a global competition with China, and it's not just EVs.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley quotes Ford CEO Farley saying Chinese vehicle quality is far superior and Ford's future depends on competing.
“And he says even beyond that, their cost, their quality of vehicles is far superior to what I see in the West.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley says boards and CFOs feel competitive pressure to engage in questionable AI transactions.
“So I think there are many boards and many CFOs who have been put in a position where they say, well, if we don't do it, everyone else is doing it, you might fall behind.”
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Dylan Patel
Patel states Oracle will grow from one fifth Microsoft's size to bigger by end of 2027 at 35% margins.
“Oracle is going from like one fifth your size to bigger than you by end of twenty twenty seven.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley argues invisible hand capitalism with hyper competition is actively happening in China despite communist label.
“So I think the thing that a lot of people in Silicon Valley love about capitalism is this notion of the invisible hand and competition that leads to innovation and best practice, and the winners rise up and they're better for it. That is happening there.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley questions whether America benefits from Mag7's trillion-dollar valuations or if they signal market failure.
“Hearing that caused me to ask the question, does America really benefit by the fact that the Mag7 have $3,000,000,000,000 market caps?”
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David Friedberg
Friedberg states Chinese scientific publications went from half of US output in 2015 to 50% more today across all categories.
“In twenty fifteen, ten years ago, papers published by Chinese research labs and major scientific journals were about half of The United States. Yeah. Now 50% more than The United States.”
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Dylan Patel
Patel says NVIDIA must be 2x better than competitors to justify their 75% plus margins.
“NVIDIA recognizes they're they're the leader, they're the tent pole. Hey, in one respect, they can just run faster than everyone, but it's kind of hard to be two x better than Google or or OpenAI or whoever else's internal chip, right, to justify their, you know, 75% plus margins.”
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Dylan Patel
Patel says NVIDIA must be 2-4x better than competitors to justify 75% margins and 4x pricing above costs.
“And then they have to be two x to four x better to justify four x better to justify their margins because that's what they're charging above cogs.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley says unprecedented capital at every AI project creates uncharted competitive territory.
“now we're in a weird world where the amount of money that gets thrown at every project, I kind of lived through this with Uber Lyft because both companies had billions and billions of dollars”
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Howard Marks
Marks questions whether AI savings will accrue as profits or be competed away through lower prices.
“To whom will the savings accrue? If different companies are competing to provide the AI service, maybe they'll compete on price to the point where it's not profitable for them.”
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Howard Marks
Marks suggests AI savings may accrue to consumers through price competition rather than to company profits.
“If different companies are competing to provide the AI service, maybe they'll compete on price to the point where it's not profitable for them.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley describes current venture capital as sport of Kings fight to the death, different from past era.
“I say it's not your father's venture capital. This is a sport of Kings world we've evolved into and it's fight to the death.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley argues heavy regulation consistently produces oligopolies, citing airplane manufacturing as extreme example.
“in almost every industry in The US where there's heavy regulation, you've ended up with less diversity, fewer companies, more of a oligopoly.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley argues open source creates hypercompetitive dynamics where innovations are immediately absorbed across competitors.
“And if you have 10 companies all doing open source, the minute an idea is shared, it's available to the other 10, and they absorb it immediately.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley predicts the US cannot stay ahead of China in AI with two proprietary models versus ten open source ones.
“I think the odds that that, you know, The US with two, you know, proprietary models can stay ahead of China with 10 open source ones is very low.”
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Dylan Patel
Patel claims his company moves 10x faster than competitors using Claude Code, enabling more hiring and business wins.
“It's actually insane. And so my plans of hiring and the business we win and the basis we're able to do is actually just growing.”
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Dylan Patel
Patel contrasts competitors' limited scale with NVIDIA's supply chain designed for tens of millions of chips.
“I can buy 10,000. I could buy a 100,000. I can't buy millions, tens of millions, which is what Jensen's, setting his supply chain up for.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley says college makes people competitive and sharp-elbowed when the world is not actually zero sum.
“But what I would tell people is the world's not zero sum. In any field that we're in, there's, there's many, many winners, many, many great winners.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley identifies open source as the biggest threat to leading AI model providers' businesses.
“the biggest threat to their businesses where they're cashing in billions of dollars is the open source movement.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley warns venture capital has massive oversupply of aspirants and being young alone won't make someone good.
“If you think like just being young will make you good at venture capital, that's wrong. But and it is a job that does not have a supply demand balance.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley says ultra competitive college path creates zero sum mindset when most fields actually have tons of winners.
“And in most fields, and I'm sure this is true in theater even though I've never worked in it, there's tons of winners.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley says regulation is the friend of the incumbent, used to raise prices and prevent competition.
“I have a phrase I use, regulation is the friend of the incumbent. So they use it to actually raise prices, prevent competition, and further in ensconce themselves in the leadership role they're already in.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley argues China built a highly competitive system inside communism through provincial competition mechanisms.
“They have built, inside of a communist country, have built a system that's highly competitive. And it comes from leveraging provincial competition and some other things.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley states South Korea builds nuclear plants at one fourth the US cost, calling it alarming.
“South Korea, not China, South Korea can build a nuclear fission plant for one fourth the price that we can in The US. And someone needs to be massively alarmed by that.”
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David Friedberg
Friedberg frames the anti-capitalism argument as compounding advantages eventually making it hard for others to compete effectively.
“The problem with compounding in any is it eventually eats all of the whatever is in the system or it makes it hard for others to compete in that system or participate effectively in that system. And that's the argument that's being made today against capitalism.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley argues AI productivity gains will be competed away through lower prices, not retained as higher margins.
“I don't think there's any scenario where you just do more for less and all of a sudden everyone has 70% operating margins. That's not gonna happen.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley argues AI productivity gains won't lead to 70% margins because competition will lower prices instead.
“I don't think there's any scenario where you just do more for less and all of a sudden everyone has 70% operating margins.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley argues AI competition will drive prices down, creating productivity boom with cheaper goods rather than obscene profits.
“And so the thing that could happen is we could have a productivity boom from lower priced goods and services.”
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“The biggest problem is if you're a AI skeptic because you're never trying to figure that out. And the truth of the matter is humans have evolved with their tools forever.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley argues competing without AI is like farming with shovel against modern equipment, zero chance.
“If if I ask you to compete with a farmer that has modern farming equipment and I give you a shovel and a hoe and an oxen, there's zero chance you're gonna be competitive.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley contrasts old fundraising where companies decided timing versus today where investors proactively offer money with implied competitor threats.
“And today people are just showing up at the door and saying, take the money. In many cases, with the implication, if you don't take it, they'll give it to the competitor.”
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“Because then we'll just throw out two examples, the coding space and the legal AI space. There's seven companies that have raised over $200,000,000 and they're all gonna mount customer acquisition strategies with those dollars.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley notes seven companies raised over $200M in coding and legal AI, making conservative approaches unviable.
“There's seven companies that have raised over $200,000,000 and they're all gonna mount customer acquisition strategies with those dollars.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley suggests highlighting state versus state competition in US modeled on China's provincial competition.
“I'm I'm enamored by the provincial competition in China, and I wonder if shining a brighter light on state versus state competition could lead to some pretty amazing and positive things for our own country.”
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Bill Gurley
Gurley coined the phrase regulation is the friend of the incumbent to describe how incumbents use regulation to prevent competition.
“I have I have a phrase I use, regulation is the friend of the incumbent.”
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Gavin Baker
Baker identifies four companies that matter at scale in long-term supply agreements for AI chips.
“Let's just think about the game theory of breaking an LTA. So there's four companies that matter at scale. There's Amazon with their tradiums.”
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David Sacks
Sacks argues applying FAA-style regulation to AI would immediately eliminate Anthropic's competitive advantage.
“You're gonna apply that regulatory framework to AI model releases? Game over. Forget about it. Your six months will be gone like that.”
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David Sacks
Sacks describes Anthropic and OpenAI as trapped on a hamster wheel, needing constant leadership to justify premium pricing.
“A decent subset of the market is willing to pay a premium for true frontier intelligence, but Anthropic and OpenAI are on that hamster wheel.”
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Where they overlapsame programme, same subject
- All-In Podcast also carries Bill Gurley, David Friedberg and David Sacks on this subject, at different times.
- BG2 Pod also carries Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner on this subject, at different times.
- CNBC Television also carries Brad Gerstner and Dylan Patel on this subject, at different times.
- Invest Like the Best also carries Bill Gurley and Gavin Baker on this subject, at different times.