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Dylan Patel on

moe

3 entries, 30 Jun 2025 to 30 Jun 2025

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    1. spoken

      Patel explains that Apple's rushed model has empty experts not receiving tokens due to flawed sparse MOE routing.

      “Basically in between every layer, the router can route to whatever expert it wants to, And it learns which expert to route to. And and each expert learns its own independent things”

      30 Jun 2025 · Matthew Berman · 2:38 · source · permalink
    2. spoken

      Patel describes Apple's model having empty experts that never get routed to, indicating wasted training capacity.

      “if you actually look at the model, oftentimes won't even route tokens to certain experts. So it was like a waste of training.”

      30 Jun 2025 · Matthew Berman · 2:30 · source · permalink
    3. spoken

      Patel explains how MOE routing works and how some of Meta's experts weren't being used at all.

      “And and each expert learns its own independent things and it's like really not something observable by people. But what you can see is tokens when which experts do they route to?”

      30 Jun 2025 · Matthew Berman · 2:45 · source · permalink

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